Don’t expect to see pints of wine in the shops

After the Government published its response to the imperial units consultation in late December 2023, they said that they will add a 568 ml (pint-size) to the list of permitted sizes for wine bottles as well as the new 200 ml size for still wine and the new 500 ml size for sparkling wine. The headlines in the Government press release and in the media suggesting that pint-sized wine bottles will appear in the shops are misleading because it depends on winemakers making them but there has been a lack of interest in making them.

The Government press release was headlined “‘Pints’ of wine stocked on Britain’s shelves for the first time ever“. Media headlines on this story were:

One thing that the Government and the whole media missed is that the availability of pint-sized wine bottles in the shops depends on the willingness of winemakers to make them. So far, winemakers have shown a lack of interest in making them. Winemakers across the industry have said that they are not willing the produce pint-sized wine bottles. 1 2 3 4 6 7 Wine merchants have also expressed hostility to this proposal. 5

The Grocer quotes a wine importer’s comments about the new pint size, saying:

“Writing on social platform X, wine importer Daniel Lambert described the pint of wine as “a bottle format nobody asked for and isn’t produced anywhere”, adding he had spoken to buyers at “a number of big companies” and none were planning to ask their suppliers for pint bottles.

Lambert told The Grocer he believed there was “less than a 0.01% chance” of any foreign winemakers electing to adopt the pint bottle.” 6

The Grocer continues, “Domestic winemakers have also shown little appetite for the measure. Hattingley Valley, a sparkling producer based in Hampshire, said the introduction of pint-sized bottles would be “prohibitively expensive” and “bring in more complexities to our production processes” without benefiting customers or consumers.” 6

While the 568 ml size will be added to the list of Specified Quantities for wine (i.e. the list of permitted sizes), there is no legal obligation on producers and traders to supply this new size. If the new size is not adopted by anyone, it will be a flop like thirds of a pint of draught beer and cider.

Sources and further reading:

  1. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/champagne-pint-bottles-b2007990.html (“French champagne makers say they have no plans to sell UK government’s Brexit pint bottles” by Jon Stone, The Independent, 5 February 2022)
  2. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/27/pint-of-wine-anyone-uk-looks-to-bring-back-silly-measure (“Pint of wine, anyone? UK looks to bring back ‘silly measure’: Winemakers question plan as government champions Brexit ‘freedom’ to allow old-fashioned size” by Jasper Jolly, The Guardian, 27 December 2023)
  3. https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/dec/29/english-wine-producers-unlikely-to-adopt-redundant-pint-option (“English wine producers unlikely to adopt ‘redundant’ pint option: Environmental, economic and taste reasons cited as why makers may not take size opportunity” by Rob Davies, The Guardian, 29 December 2023)
  4. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-pint-plan-falls-flat-31774518 (“Tory pint plan falls flat as makers of Churchill’s favourite plonk bottle idea for smaller servings” by Ben Turner, The Mirror, 30 December 2023)
  5. https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2024/01/pint-sized-wine-bottles-permitted/ (“Pint-sized wine bottles permitted” by Louis Thomas, The Drinks Business, 2 January 2024)
  6. https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/alcohol/fizz-fiasco-or-sparkling-opportunity-can-pint-sized-bottles-boost-wine-sales/686696.article (“Why pint-sized bottles won’t deliver the boost Britain’s beleaguered wine category needs” by James Beeson, The Grocer, 3 January 2024)
  7. https://www.regencypurchasing.co.uk/challenges-of-pint-sized-bottles-in-the-uk-wine-sector/ (“Challenges of pint-sized bottles in the UK wine sector”, Regency Purchasing Group, 16 January 2024)
  8. https://www.gov.uk/weights-measures-and-packaging-the-law/specified-quantities

18 thoughts on “Don’t expect to see pints of wine in the shops”

  1. Pint bottles? Bah, humbug! Good riddance to bad rubbish is more like it, eh?

    Guess it’s another victory for common sense and metric, eh? :-)

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  2. The non-news story continues to unfold. The BBC came in for some criticism in the unbalanced way in which it reported on the forthcoming availability of pint bottles. We see now that it suffered the consequences of being first with the news. It had simply copied the biased press release from the Government. Subsequently the Independent, Guardian and Mirror gave more-balanced reports of the reality.

    The championing of Sir Winston Churchill continues, advocating the pint bottle because it was his “choice”.

    So here’s an idea. Sir Winston Churchill was also very fond of cigars, as is well known. So, regardless of the restrictions on other tobacco products, let’s make it legal for cigars to be sold to anyone of any age.

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  3. The whole ‘pint’ fiasco was and still is a massive waste of public time, money and effort for the infantile gratification of the very few.

    Never before have so many suffered for the will of so few.

    Hardly a victory in any way whatsoever I would say.

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  4. The Imperial Pint of champagne produced by French champagne houses years ago would seem to have been a bottle of 600 ml, not the 568 ml that corresponds to the English imperial pint (of beer or cider). If Winston Churchill did express his desire for the 600 ml ‘pint’ bottle, I doubt very much whether he would have known, or cared, that it was not the same as the pint served in a pub, and he would have been using the term in a very general manner. So all the exalting about bringing back a ‘pint’ of champagne is a bit of a joke, especially as none of the champagne producers in France or sparking wine producers in England seem to have any interest in creating a size between 500 ml and 750 ml.

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  5. The UK government is too feeble on liberalisation. Fixed sizes of wine should be abolished. Wine is an exception in requiring fixed sizes and even that exception might eventually disappear.

    The law on fixed sizes in the EU was a mess prior to EU liberalisation in 2007. For example prior to that, UK producers could not use 500 gram containers in UK shops but non-UK producers could. The nearest legal sizes for UK producers of jam were 454 g and 680 g.

    This is what the EU said:

    “Therefore, in the context of the SLIM exercise for simpler legislation, liberalisation of pack sizes (except for EU sizes for wines and spirits) was introduced in 2007. Based on an impact assessment, including a wide consultation of all interested stakeholders, it aimed in many sectors, by means of free nominal quantities to increase the freedom of producers to provide goods according to consumer tastes and enhance competition as regards quality and price on the internal market. In wine and spirits, however, it was deemed more appropriate, in the interests of consumers and business, to retain mandatory nominal quantities for the time being. Consumer protection was considered already to be facilitated by the full application of then existing legislation, notably by the Directive on unit pricing”

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1467706973257&uri=SWD:2016:219:FIN

    Note the phrase “for the time being“. Six member states wanted to abolish fixed sizes of wine.

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  7. @Terry

    A neat bit of EU bashing there.

    “For example prior to that, UK producers could not use 500 gram containers in UK shops but non-UK producers could. The nearest legal sizes for UK producers of jam were 454 g and 680 g.”

    That was due to UK prescribed sizes of 1lb (454 g), not so sure I ever saw a 1.5lb jar (680 g), but the UK law was multiples of probably 8oz for preserves and honey. It was this UK restriction that prevent the use of 500 g containers.

    Even up to a year or so ago (elsewhere on these pages) I was having to avoid buying jam and honey in ozzes, presumably packed to satisfy the odd 0.4% that got a buzz from it.

    The fixed size of wine of 750 ml is in fact 1 sixth of a UK gallon established by the wine trade for European exporters to ship to the UK market. True it may hopefully be replaced by a “proper” metric size sometime.

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  8. Jam, marmalade, honey, syrup, treacle and molasses were the only exceptions in retaining imperial prescribed sizes (rounded to the nearest gram) in the UK, until 2009. This was not the fault of the EU, but a failure of the 1979 UK government to properly complete the metrication of prescribed package sizes.

    All other prescribed sizes were switched to round metric sizes in the 1970s, with some foodstuffs retaining their old imperial prescribed sizes (rounded to the nearest gram) in addition to new metric prescribed sizes. e.g. milk and prepacked potatoes.

    This is detailed in the 1980 Report of the Metrication Board:

    Prepacked prescribed quantity foods

    2.6 Metrication of the basic ‘shopping basket’ foods, such as flour, instant coffee, tea, butter and margarine is largely complete. By the beginning of 1980 over 95 per cent by value of these foods was made up in rounded metric quantities. Jam, marmalade, honey, jelly preserves, syrup, cereal grains and starches, and coffee (beans and ground) are the only prescribed quantity foods for which ranges of metric sizes are not yet agreed.

    2.7 Manufacturers and importers of dried vegetables, dried fruits, flour and flour products, oat products, cocoa and chocolate powder finished the change to metric prepacks in the second half of 1978. in February 1979 margarine in 250 g and 500 g packs started to appear on retailers’ shelves. In July instant coffee and butter started to appear in metric sizes. In September white fats and dripping began the changeover.

    2.8 The changes were brought into effect by legislation embodying timetables agreed by the sector concerned. Manufacturing cut-off dates were introduced for imperial packs of pasta, dried fruits, dried vegetables, and flour and flour products. Additionally, cut-off dates for retail sales of imperial packs were approved for biscuits, bread, chocolate bars, cocoa and drinking chocolate, oat products, sugar, cornflakes, salt, tea, butter, margarine, white fats and dripping, and shredded suet. There are two retail cut-off dates in 1980; for tea on 29 June and for shredded suet on 28 September. Legislation permitting metric ranges for instant coffee and prepacked potatoes has resulted in a widespread change of the former product, but little change of the latter.

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  9. It’s amazing how many of the fake news outlets reported a return of pint bottles in 2024 based on either a government spokesperson’s claim or the reporters/editors own made-up nonsense. Even those reporters that bothered to interview those in the wine industry and print their quotes where they said they would not produce a 570 mL pint, insisted on claiming boldly that pints will return. 

    Then there is Rathfinny, a company that a few years ago did produce 800 bottles of sparkling wines in what they called a pint. But to them and to the rest of the industry a pint means 500 mL, yet the media Luddites despite pointing this out with one side of their mouth kept insisting in the articles that 570 mL pint bottles will appear this year (2024). Yellow journalism at its finest. 

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  10. Back in the real world, whilst this pointless idea for ‘pints of wine’ has been grabbing the headlines, one of the leading supermarkets, Iceland, has recently dropped pint containers from their range of fresh milk.
    This is a major step forward and we should congratulate them for being the first major supermarket to do so.
    Fresh supermarket cows milk, unlike the various filtered, organic, oat, and almond varieties etc has always been sold in rounded pint sizes.
    It will be interesting to see if the other major supermarkets follow suit in taking Iceland’s lead. There have been some inevitable ‘shrinkflation’ jibes against Iceland, despite them reducing the prices.
    What I do find intriguing about Iceland’s metric switch is the backstory of their high profile executive chair’s changing political affiliations. Not too long ago, he was mooted as a potential Conservative parliamentary candidate before labelling them ‘out of touch’ and backing Sir Kier Starmer for the next prime minster.

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  11. @BrianAC wrote: “Terry A neat bit of EU bashing there.”

    I’m not sure what part of my comment made you conclude it was EU bashing. I’m aware the UK prescribed size 454 g is a metrication of 1 lb and it was this UK restriction that prevent the use of 500 g containers. EU member states had legacy legislation at national level that was incompatible with other EU member states yet they could only enforce such legislation on their own national producers. That’s why I described it as a mess that the EU cleared up by abolishing many fixed sizes.

    Several member states and commentators wanted to abolish fixed sizes for wine but there wasn’t consensus. This leaves the EU with anomalies such as 500 ml bottles being permitted for still wine but forbidden for sparkling wine, and 700 ml bottles of whisky forbidden in the EU despite this being a size important to exporters.

    If the ‘pint of wine’ is important to voters, perhaps the UK government in 2007 should have claimed credit for 454 gram jars of jam now being permitted throughout the EU. They could have released a press release saying “We will now see 1 lb jars of jam in Paris shops”.

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  12. Correction to my previous comment:

    • “700 ml bottles of whisky”

    should have been

    • “750 ml bottles of whisky“

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  13. Is the pint destined for extinction? It seems that the 200 year old pint is getting lesser and lesser use these days as patrons chose to stay at home and avoid going to the pubs. If pubs become extinct due to loss of business, will they take the pint to extinction with them?

    See this YouTube video on the pub pints and the struggle of pubs to stay in business:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KRqyDkoVb8

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  14. An update on the new 568 ml wine bottle legislation (which comes into force on 19 September 2024):

    Wine: Pint MeasuresVolume 749: debated on Thursday 2 May 2024 https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-05-02/debates/BE1491E1-B52E-417B-97BB-A7148B606F2E/WinePintMeasures

    Pint-size wine to be allowed on shelves from September – as doubts raised over demand
    https://news.sky.com/story/pint-size-wine-to-be-allowed-on-shelves-from-september-as-doubts-raised-over-demand-13127478

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  15. >The Minister of State, Department for Business and Trade
    >(Kevin Hollinrake)

    >The 568 ml pint quantity is one of several changes…..

    >Kevin Hollinrake
    >Those include new legislation that aligns existing sizes across still and sparking pre-packed wine so that both can be sold in 200 ml and 500 ml quantities, for which we know there is good demand.

    From one side of his mouth, Kevin Hollinrake babbles on about the non-existent 568 mL size that no one intends to produce and even if they did is an impossible fill, seeing filling machines can only fill in increments of 10 mL. Representatives of the wine industry have stated over and over that a pint to them means 500 ml and nothing more.

    Then the last thing Kevin Hollinrake admits is that the two sizes that can be sold are 200 mL and 500 mL. There is no and never will be a pint of 570 mL that will ever appear on a shelf, no matter how many laws claim it can be.

    The second article claims much of the same. It mentions only 200 mL and 500 mL. It is pure idiocy to keep hammering on about pints unless everyone accepts that a pint is 500 mL, nothing more and nothing less.

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  16. Hopefully it will be debated again soon, and removed before September.

    I fully take on board Daniels comments, but as I have said before it is the very fact that such trash should come into force that is the problem.

    Giving the pint legal status means it is is in our shadow forever more unless killed off now. Along with the legalised (268 ml) beer pint It will be used as a leaver by any despot campaigner, at least one such now a new MP, to continually chip away at anything at any time, just the way Brexit was engineered.

    Even worse that such trash should be debated at all given the state of the country, one would think there were more pressing matters at that time.

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  17. Brian,

    If the issue is to be debated then it must include representatives of the wine and spirits industry. Not having representatives to the debate is like not inviting Russia to any peace conference on ending the Ukraine war.

    So, if the debaters decide to keep the 570 mL pint, what is then gained if no one in the industry produces it and continues to produce a 500 mL pint, if they do at all? How many times do the representatives of the industry have to state that to them a pint means 500 mL, nothing more nothing less.

    One of the companies ( Rathfinny) has already produced some sparkling wine in 800 bottles of the 500 mL size (to them this is a pint) in anticipation of the 500 mL size becoming legal for sparkling wines. It takes a number of years for the wine to ferment in bottles and those bottles are suppose to be ready to market this year. But with only 800 of them, they won’t fill many a shelf. Plus what will be the selling price? Will people buy them if they cost more than a 750 mL bottle. I’m sure Rathfinny only produced 800 bottles as a market test, not intending to go into full production if either the existing 800 bottles don’t sell or the profits are low.

    Yet, the media and enemies of the metric system still continue to insist that an impossible fill size of 568 mL will appear. How will the fake news media react when Rathfinny’s 800 bottles reach the market? If they look at the label and all it states is 500 mL and the word pint appears nowhere, will they be happy? Even in the press releases over the past year or so while the fake news media were going on and on about pints the representatives of the industry were claiming to them 500 mL is their pint. A total disconnect between fantasy and reality.

    One last question, what was the actual size of the bottles Winston Churchill actually claimed was the perfect size? They supposedly came from France, so I would imagine they would be the 500 mL size and Churchill couldn’t tell the difference between 500 and 570 mL.

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  18. The good news is that the pint is not being brought back as a legal measurement unit for wine. ALL of the new bottle sizes are metric. The new 568 ml size is just another odd-looking size like the existing 187 ml (quarter-bottle) size. The legislation doesn’t mention the word “pint” at all, not even in the explanatory note.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2024/641/regulation/2/made

    For wine bottles, the pint will still only be able to be used as a supplementary indication to the legal metric unit.

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